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Post by mpg1 on Feb 20, 2007 16:05:28 GMT 12
should it be allowed as a means of last resort, or outlawed completely, or? Since when did a quick clip around the ears do anyone any long term harm?
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Post by meandog on Feb 20, 2007 16:34:29 GMT 12
Well I was brought up by a strict father who did go overboard at times. But I have not been in any trouble with the Police. Neither has any of my siblings, so I feel some sort of discipline is necessary. I can see the way things are at the moment even, kids have no respect for adults. If a kid has no respect for an adult they have no respect for themselves and end up sliding down that slippery trail towards crime.
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Post by Aglarana on Feb 22, 2007 7:50:15 GMT 12
It's just the Govts way of saving time. Instead of assessing each case individually, they'll just make 80% of all parents criminals. I liked what that guy said about punching Bradford in the face and while she's lying there with snot and blood running from her mashed nose, swatting her lightly across the butt and saying "Now do you realise the difference?".
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Post by meandog on Feb 22, 2007 8:42:43 GMT 12
Found this while lurking the other day and it made me chuckle. ;D WHAT A STUNNER STUN A RAT AT 50 PACES Who fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down 1 Sue Bradford
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Post by snooka on Feb 22, 2007 13:22:09 GMT 12
Spare the Rod, spoil the child...
My interpretation of that is if you dont smack them you can ruin them..
As last resort a good smack on the bum works best...
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Post by heeza on Feb 22, 2007 15:45:12 GMT 12
It's just the Govts way of saving time. Instead of assessing each case individually, they'll just make 80% of all parents criminals. I liked what that guy said about punching Bradford in the face and while she's lying there with snot and blood running from her mashed nose, swatting her lightly across the butt and saying "Now do you realise the difference?". So 80% of NZ's parents will be charged and found guilty of committing the crime of hitting their kids Aggy? Are you in charge of the National billboards at election time by any chance? keep spinning those yarns eh.
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Post by heeza on Feb 22, 2007 15:47:56 GMT 12
Can none of you think of other ways to punish your kids?
Mine hate cleaning up the house, doing dishes etc when they are naughty. Don't have to hit them at all, and my two are very well behaved at school too.
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Post by snooka on Feb 22, 2007 15:59:49 GMT 12
Can none of you think of other ways to punish your kids? . I would do the same now as I did with them 27 - 21 years ago... However now they could give me a thump coz I couldnt stop it... However they have all grown up as fine Adults... So I guess I did something right...
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Post by Aglarana on Feb 22, 2007 16:14:43 GMT 12
It's just the Govts way of saving time. Instead of assessing each case individually, they'll just make 80% of all parents criminals. I liked what that guy said about punching Bradford in the face and while she's lying there with snot and blood running from her mashed nose, swatting her lightly across the butt and saying "Now do you realise the difference?". So 80% of NZ's parents will be charged and found guilty of committing the crime of hitting their kids Aggy? Are you in charge of the National billboards at election time by any chance? keep spinning those yarns eh. Oh go spin yourself, Waigy. I'd say you would make a better canditate for doctoring, what with your inability to keep a grip on truth and reality.
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Post by heeza on Feb 22, 2007 23:00:35 GMT 12
So 80% of NZ's parents will be charged and found guilty of committing the crime of hitting their kids Aggy? Are you in charge of the National billboards at election time by any chance? keep spinning those yarns eh. Oh go spin yourself, Waigy. I'd say you would make a better canditate for doctoring, what with your inability to keep a grip on truth and reality. Really Aggy? " It's just the Govts way of saving time. Instead of assessing each case individually, they'll just make 80% of all parents criminals. " What a silly comment to make. Think about it Aggy.
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Post by Aglarana on Feb 23, 2007 8:25:35 GMT 12
Really Aggy? " It's just the Govts way of saving time. Instead of assessing each case individually, they'll just make 80% of all parents criminals. " What a silly comment to make. Think about it Aggy. In the interests of debate... .59 will effectively make criminals of approx 80% of parents with children under the age of 10. I say approx, because there is no accurate number. This is my opinion. Debate with that, but please leave your negative attitude in the Dragons Den or TM. Cheers.
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Post by heeza on Feb 23, 2007 12:03:59 GMT 12
Really Aggy? " It's just the Govts way of saving time. Instead of assessing each case individually, they'll just make 80% of all parents criminals. " What a silly comment to make. Think about it Aggy. In the interests of debate... .59 will effectively make criminals of approx 80% of parents with children under the age of 10. I say approx, because there is no accurate number. This is my opinion. Debate with that, but please leave your negative attitude in the Dragons Den or TM. Cheers. And your attitude towards the present Govt in these silly posts is Positive aggy? Now you are saying that 80% of parents HIT their children under 10 years of age. That's just pathetic. It is obviously normal in your family to HIT kids. At my primary school, We had two male teachers who strapped us but none of the other teachers strapped anyone. One of my non violent teachers had me and a mate go out on the main lawn in the middle of the school and get down on our hands and knees and pretend to be goats as we were acting like goats. LOL I laugh about that and like to tell people about it for a laugh but I still have bad thoughts about the two teachers who strapped me. That is one example of Hitting kids being done by plainly bad tempered individual teachers when there is no need for it. The other teachers proved that there was no need for it. I have in fact learnt a lot off my best mate and the way he handles Cyfs kids. They all have big hangups when he gets them but man, he turns their lives around and he is into discipline but never with violence, but most of all, he talks to them about everything and really gets to the bottom of every matter with them. Most of all, he puts an incredible amount of time into the kids including going to every fair or show in the district which are things they have never done before. That's the thing. People are too lazy to talk to kids so take the easy way out and hit them.
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Post by Dalbyj on Feb 23, 2007 13:07:59 GMT 12
In my opinion, there is a big difference between hitting and smacking.
However, the word 'discipline' means ' To train by instruction and practice, especially to teach self-control to, to teach to obey rules or accept authority' according to my online dictionary.
So when we discipline our children, we do so with the intention of teaching them the right way of doing things ... and that doesn't always include smacking.
But I do think it's getting a bit ridiculous when we are told that we are allowed to use force to save our kids from danger .. as if we wouldn't do that without a second thought!
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Post by Aglarana on Feb 23, 2007 13:29:06 GMT 12
That's just pathetic. It is obviously normal in your family to HIT kids. Absolutely. It was the normal thing, for my parents to hit. My sister and I have stepped away from the "physical" discipline approach. Hopefully, when our children have children, there will be better resources for them. The way it stands currently, the Govt is proposing to remove a form of discipline, but have yet to offer an adequate substitute. A light tap on the back of the hand is hardly going to leave any life-long emotional scars.
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Post by heeza on Feb 23, 2007 13:51:41 GMT 12
That's just pathetic. It is obviously normal in your family to HIT kids. Absolutely. It was the normal thing, for my parents to hit. My sister and I have stepped away from the "physical" discipline approach. Hopefully, when our children have children, there will be better resources for them. The way it stands currently, the Govt is proposing to remove a form of discipline, but have yet to offer an adequate substitute. A light tap on the back of the hand is hardly going to leave any life-long emotional scars. Resources from the Government? What resources? I don't need the Government to tell me to TALK to my kids when they are naughty Aggy. I do think that it is fair for the Government to tell me and all other big adults that they are not allowed to hit kids. These new laws are for the defenceless kids, not the big over powering adult.
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Post by luxuryflake on Feb 23, 2007 15:30:24 GMT 12
This law takes away 'I smacked my kid' as a defence for child abuse. On the one hand Kiwis are crying out, screaming in fact over Child abuse, asking for tougher sentencing etc... but how can that happen if we can't even determine whether little johnny was 'smacked or beaten'?
The defence could be that little johnny was smacked he fell forward, backward whatever hit his head and died. An accidental death. No abuse involved...or was there?
If Parents/guardians whoever are brought before the courts and shown to have used force which badly injures or results in the death of a child they can no longer use 'It is my right to smack my child' as an excuse to get away with child abuse and receive lighter or no sentencing.
I think this law will be like the jaywalking law, ignored mostly, but if circumstances should arise which clearly puts a child or children in danger; or of suffering abuse, this law will guarantee somebody pays the consequences.
One question, how would you define 'smacking'?
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Post by meandog on Feb 23, 2007 15:46:59 GMT 12
I define smacking with an open hand, not closed fist, nor a weapon including a leather strap. My earlier post tells what my views are.
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Post by luxuryflake on Feb 23, 2007 16:18:15 GMT 12
I define smacking with an open hand, not closed fist, nor a weapon including a leather strap. My earlier post tells what my views are. Ok, so smacking is hitting with an open hand that is how you define it?....How hard? Where do you smack? How many times do you do it?
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Post by OasisNZ on Feb 23, 2007 16:23:30 GMT 12
From personal experience, I say it's those that are campaigning so hard for this legislation to be pushed through, are the very ones that are guilty of losing their temper at times and going over the top.
Just a personal observation from real life, not directed at any posters here.
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Post by meandog on Feb 23, 2007 16:27:25 GMT 12
Well Oasis I knew the Bradford family who are from Wellsford so that was well said. Its a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. I could say a lot more but may get sued if I did.
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